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  1. How Computers Boot Up : Gustavo Duarte on June 5th, 2008 1:03 pm

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  2. Pádraig Brady on June 10th, 2008 8:13 am

    Very nice summary thanks.

    I think it’s worth referencing Ulrich Drepper’s paper on memory,\ which goes into more detail: http://people.redhat.com/drepper/cpumemory.pdf

  3. Gustavo Duarte on June 10th, 2008 9:06 am

    Pádraig: absolutely :) I’m a big fan of that paper too. I was waiting to reference it in an upcoming post about virtual memory / memory hierarchy, but it’s worth mentioning twice, so I’ll add it here too. Thanks for the suggestion.

  4. me on June 11th, 2008 7:26 am

    Thanks for the summary. It was clear and very helpful. I was wondering where my 4GB of memory went.

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  6. kevin liu on June 11th, 2008 10:37 am

    hi Gustavo, which software did you use to draw the diagrams?

  7. Fred on June 11th, 2008 11:55 am

    Gustavo, conheci seu site hoje, gostei muito dessa parte teórica, já adicionei ao meu del.icio.us, vou visita-lo sempre…\ agora deixa eu ir pq tenho mais coisas interessantes a ler aqui hehehe

  8. Gustavo Duarte on June 12th, 2008 2:45 am

    @me: you’re welcome, glad it helped!

    @kevin: Microsoft Visio 2007 – I wish it had been an open source tool. I use “themes” in Visio, which apply styles to all of the shapes, easing the process of creating something that looks ok.

    @Fred: valeu, obrigado pelo comentario :) Eh legal ver comentarios do pessoal do Brasil – eu mesmo estou querendo morar ai de novo por uns tempos. Se voce usar algum leitor de RSS, adicione o site.

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  10. Augusto Caringi on June 17th, 2008 7:14 pm

    Interessante esse post, tmb sou um hobista em relação a “systems internals”.\ Não conhecia esse artigo (pelo tamanho tá mais pra livro) que foi citado “What Every Programmer Should Know About Memory”, mas parece ser muito completo… vou separar aqui pra ler!\ Uma dica: As milhares de páginas dos manuais da Intel podem parecer intransponíveis a primeira vista para o iniciante, recomendo o livro “Protected Mode Software Architecture” da MindShare.\ Abraço e parabéns.

  11. Gustavo Duarte on June 18th, 2008 11:45 am

    @Augusto: obrigado, e valeu pela sugestao. Abraco.

  12. Ol10 on June 23rd, 2008 6:24 pm

    Hi, i liked your article very much because it’s a subject i’ve been wanting to know more on for a while. I’ve read it over and over and ther is something I still don’t understand. I have no knowledge at all on this and it may be why. The thing is that I can’t figure out why with 32bits OS the cpu can only adress 4GB ? I understand why in 64bit it makes 64GB ( using the maths from the beginning ) but by using 32 instead of 64 in the formula I don’t get 4 :( does the 2^33 varies depeding on the OS ? Thx anyway great blog!

  13. Augusto Caringi on June 23rd, 2008 11:37 pm

    Opa, eu de novo… :)\ “An Intel Core 2 QX6600 has 33 pins to transmit the physical memory address (so there are 233 choices of memory locations) and 64 pins to send or receive data (so data is transmitted in a 64-bit data path, or 8-byte chunks). This allows the CPU to physically address 64 gigabytes of memory (233 locations * 8 bytes) although most chipsets only handle up to 8 gigs of RAM.”\ acho que essas informacoes nao estao corretas (posso estar errado)…\ ateh onde sei, esse processador, assim como os outros de sua familia tem 32 linhas de enderecamento em “modo normal” o que possibilita 4GB de memoria. (2^32 * 1 byte)\ esse processador tmb suporta PAE (physical address extension), com esse recurso ativado, passam a ser 36 linhas de enderecamento, possibilitando 64GB. (2^36 * 1 byte)\ o bus de dados transfere chunks de 64 bits, mas a memoria eh enderecada por bytes..

  14. chrizel on June 24th, 2008 12:58 am

    Ol10:\ “The thing is that I can’t figure out why with 32bits OS the cpu can only adress 4GB ?”

    2^32 Bytes = 4294967296 Bytes = 4194304 KB = 4096 MB = 4 GB

    So, a 32 bit system can theoretically address up to 4 GB because that’s the maximum of 32 bit binary numbers.

    A 64 bit system can theoretically address up to 2^64 Bytes so 16 exabytes. But as you see, there are practical constraints.

  15. Gustavo Duarte on June 24th, 2008 1:07 am

    (chrizel’s explanation is right, we typed at the same time)

    @Ol10: Hi there. There is a difference between what the CPU is _physically_ capable of addressing and what it is _logically_ capable of addressing.

    The _physical_ stuff is determined by hard-core limits: the actual metal pins that stick out of the processor. It is _those_ pins that limit the CPU to 64 gigabytes. That is completely independent of the operating system or even the mode (real-mode, 32-bit protected, 64-bit) the CPU is running in. It’s a physical limit. That is the limit for which that little multiplication is done. There are 33 metal pins to transmit an address and 8 metal pins to send and receive data. So 2^33 * 2^3 = 2^36 = 64 GB.

    The “unit” of transfer in this case is 8 bytes, that’s the smallest chunk of data the CPU can address on the physical bus. In actuality, the CPU usually works in terms of cache lines, which hold 64 bytes in the Core 2s. Due to performance, the CPU reads a whole cache line at a time. So if a program reads one byte, the CPU actually reads 64 bytes and stores them in the cache.

    The 4-gb limit is logical, not physical. It happens because the registers and instructions in the CPU are limited to 32 bits _when it’s running in 32-bit mode_, which _does_ depend on the OS. Programs need to be able to address individual bytes in memory, so the “unit” of addressing is 1 byte. So _that_ equation becomes 2^32 addresses * 1 byte chunks = 2^32 bytes, or 4 GB total addressing.

    I hope this helps. Thanks for reading.

    @Augusto: bem vindo de novo. De uma olhada nessa explicacao ai de cima, pois acho que responde sua pergunta tb. Os numeros que menciono no artigo sao as propriedades fisicas do processador, o numero de pinos disponiveis para enderecamento (33 pinos) e dados (8 pinos). De uma olhada no Datasheet for Intel Core 2 Quad-Core para esses dados.

    Esses limites entao sao fisicos, independentes do modo da CPU. No bus, nao eh possivel enderecar memoria por bytes, pois a performance seria abismal. Na pratica, a CPU lida com pedacos de 64 bytes de uma vez, que corresponde ao tamanho da cache line.

    Faz sentido?

  16. Ol10 on June 24th, 2008 6:19 am

    Ok thank you for explaining.

  17. Augusto Caringi on June 25th, 2008 3:34 am

    gustavo,\

    http://www.cpu-world.com/info/Pinouts/Pentium_4.html\ esse diagrama mostra a pinagem do pentium4 (nao achei a do core 2 quad), como pode ser constatado existem 36 linhas de enderecamento (A0-A35) e 64 linhas de dados (D0-D63).

  18. Gustavo Duarte on June 25th, 2008 3:59 am

    @Augusto: hmm, repare no diagrama que vc postou, o primeiro pino de enderecamento eh A3#, ele nao comeca do zero :) heheh. Tricky. Vai de A3# a A35#. Voce pode vir isso pro Core 2 tb em

    http://download.intel.com/design/processor/datashts/31559205.pdf

  19. pligg.com on June 25th, 2008 6:12 am

    Motherboard Chipsets and the Memory Map…

    Information on x86 architecture…

  20. Augusto Caringi on June 26th, 2008 3:34 pm

    gustavo,\ tens razao… nao tinha me apercebido disso! curioso…\ mas isso tem uma explicacao… nao existe necessidade das linhas A0-A2.\ “In a similar vein, although the x86 processors can address 64GB of RAM, requiring 36 address lines, there are only 33 address bits (A3 through A35) coming out of the chip. The low-order three bits needn’t be specified because in the memory addresses that get out to the RAM, by the processor they are always zero — RAM is always read and written in eight-byte lumps.”\ em modo normal (com PAE desativado), sao usadas as linhas A3:A31 enderecando 4GB de memoria fisica. Com PAE ativado sao usadas todas as linhas e ai sim dah pra enderecar 64GB.\ vivendo e aprendendo! hehe

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  22. sushil Mayengbam on July 14th, 2008 12:21 pm

    Hi,

    your pictorial diagram of the modern Intel CPU chip-set is really worth thousand words. And off course hat-off to your explanation(with diagram) of infamous 640k-1MB legacy memory holes of Intel physical address space.

    Keep on hacking good diagrams!!!

    cheers!!!

    • sushil
  23. Gustavo Duarte on July 15th, 2008 12:38 am

    @sushil: thanks! I’m actually thinking most of my posts are going to be this sort of technical post + diagrams. I really like doing them, glad they were helpful.

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  27. teerapap on July 27th, 2008 8:47 am

    Thank you for your article. :)

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  29. Raminder on August 28th, 2008 2:20 am

    Hi,

    Thanks for this excellent post. I have a question if you could please answer it. As you’ve written

    “When the northbridge receives a physical memory request it decides where to route it: should it go to RAM? Video card maybe? This routing is decided via the memory address map.”

    My question is who decides what a memory address map should be, is it the manufacturer or is it some industry standard. Is it also influenced by the history of how x86 evolved? e.g. does real mode play any role in it?

    Raminder

  30. Raminder on August 28th, 2008 2:22 am

    also forgot to ask, is the memory map hardwired in motherboard or is it prepared when the system boots? also is it configurable through BIOS?

  31. Gustavo Duarte on August 28th, 2008 9:20 pm

    @Raminder: hmm, hahah, it’s a little of everything you said. There are some standards, it’s history, and real mode does play a role.

    Concerning standards, there are many addresses that are mapped to well-known devices. Whether this came from an official standard at some point or became a de-facto standard because IBM first did it, I have no idea. But if you google, there are certain regions, like the address of the text mode video memory, that are well known.

    In any DOS machine, you could have a C pointer, point it to a certain well-known address, and muck with the video memory.

    Real mode plays a role because the CPU is only capable of addressing 1MB when in real mode, so many of the physical addresses mapped to well-known devices must fall under 1MB of memory.

    This was all influenced by history, basically with the BIOS encroaching into more and more physical addresses for additional devices and so on.

    Finally, the memory map is definitely prepared at boot time, because it depends directly on the devices present in the system. There is a protocol where the devices on a bus (say, PCI) say what they need, and the BIOS figures it out, dishes out resources (IRQs, memory addresses, I/O ports) and builds the memory map.

    It’s also possible to programatically affect the memory map by talking to the chipset. You should see Intel’s chipset documentation, like the one I linked in the post, as it might shed some more light into this stuff.

    I don’t work with this stuff, so take it all with a grain of salt, but this is my understanding.

  32. Raminder on August 28th, 2008 10:19 pm

    Thank you so much Gustavo, I really appreciate your taking pains to explain in detail my question. And I’ve downloaded the Intel’s chipset documentation that you linked. Thanks once again and keep up the good work. You rock man!

  33. James Baptist on September 4th, 2008 8:00 am

    Mr.Duarte,\ Thank you for your very informative article.For the 1st time I am\ to learn a little about memory chips.Wish you all the best and hope you will share more info under this portal.

    J.Baptist

  34. scrAb_ on October 20th, 2008 6:35 am

    Hi Gustavo,\ But Pentium III/IV has a address bus of 36 bit, right?\ So it also could address 64 GB of memory (2^36)\ Am i wrong?

  35. scrAb_ on October 20th, 2008 6:38 am

    Hi Gustavo,\ Great P.O.S.T:)\ I remember that pentium III/IV has an address size of 36 bit, so\ they also could address 64 GB of memory (2^36)? Am i wrong?\ Thank you

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  39. enoidem godwin on December 1st, 2008 12:21 pm

    i just want to say that the explanation on the chipset are recomenable thankyou

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  41. sam on December 27th, 2008 7:01 am

    given a 512by8 memory using 16G address line, What is the memory map

  42. el_bot on December 27th, 2008 12:01 pm

    I think that Pentium IV can access memory (RAM, ROM, mapped memory) in byte-basis (or word, or double word) if it’s necessary; btw, news CPUs also can.\ Some reasons for this necessity :\ -you should write in a port 1 byte wide (one byte and only one)\ -you should implement a spin-lock in a environment SMP (i.e you need synchronize 2 CPU via memory). Intrucctions like “read-and-set in only one memory access” works over only one byte, not 8 bytes.

    In this situations you need address less than 8 bytes; it’s would explain the need for 36 lines even when only 33 seems to be enough. “RAM is NOT always read and written in eight-byte lumps”

    (yes yes, sorry by my bad English; saludos desde Argentina, cuna del jugador “mais grande do mundo” ;) )

  43. Gustavo Duarte on December 29th, 2008 1:17 am

    @el_bot: Na hay problema, yo soy Brasileno y tambien no hablo el Ingles como mi primero idioma, pero mi espanol es terrible. hehehe.

    Anyhow, you bring up some good issues. I’ll write a post to address them. But here is the short answer:

    There are two main groups of pins in the CPU involved in memory and I/O transactions: the REQ[4:0]# pins (4 total) and the A[35:3]# pins (33 total). These pins interact with the front side bus to read and write memory, and also to access the I/O ports.

    When an access takes place, the agent that initiates the transaction puts out 2 packets into the FSB that describe the access. These packets describe the request fully. The ADDRESS part of the request is always _only_ 33 bits long, and the lower 3 bits are assumed to be zero. Thus the processor ALWAYS addresses memory on 8-byte boundaries, or “aligned” to 8 bytes.

    For a regular memory access, 8 bytes is not enough because the processor will want to fill up a complete cache line (64 bytes on modern Pentiums). So the FSB request actually has a length of 64 bytes, starting with the base address specified in the A pins.

    However, some types of memory access, for example access to uncacheable memory (such as the memory used for memory-mapped I/O) the processor specifies a length of up to 8 bytes (ie, 8 bytes or less).

    When the “8 bytes or less” length is specified, in the second packed that goes into the FSB, the processor asserts a byte mask in pins A[15:8]# of the processor that specify which bytes should be read or written to.

    Thus it IS possible to address a single byte or word as you correctly point out. But this is the exception to the rule, basically only happens for uncacheable memory.

    In the spin-lock case, the processor would be working directly off of the L1 cache because the spin lock would be in cacheable memory, so the single byte would not need to be read from main memory. But there would be bus locking and snooping going on, so there is some FSB action.

    This is a lot of stuff. I’ll write a post on it covering some of this and include some diagrams.

    Saludos!

  44. el_bot on December 30th, 2008 9:43 am

    Excelent clarification! I am happy, my “intuition” was not completly wrong !\ Only a comment: by your description it’s to seem that FSB work different that RAM (at least, DDR). I think remember, that in RAM, if you want access less that “common” size (typically, 4/8 bits at chip level, 8 bytes at module level), you must specify it all at once (i.e you set the address of the chunk of memory and mask-out bit/bytes at the same time, i.e in the same clock). That is, FSB works in “serial mode”; RAM works in parallel. If I’m right, in new architectures (maybe also in AMD) the CPU (actually, the memory controller embbed with the CPU) talks directly with the RAM; and in this case, the byte would be must addressed directly (that is, you need “number of address pins” == “log2 of maximun size of physical memory supported”). I will try check it in I7 (btw, I7 don’t have FSB… I believe it).

    Saludos.

  45. Thad on December 31st, 2008 3:34 pm

    I was wondering if anyone could clarify this for me. I hear people saying that if you have a video card with 1 gigabyte of memory and a 32 bit OS the maximum amount of system ram that can be installed is 3GB. I believe this to be false because video ram is not mapped to the system, only the GPU. So a 32 bit OS can indeed address 4GB of system ram while having a 1GB video card installed (I know linux can address this memory for system use with proper modules). Or am I wrong and all 1GB of that video memory gets mapped into the system address space?

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  47. Gustavo Duarte on January 5th, 2009 10:23 pm

    @Thad: Unfortunately, people are right. The problem is that the range of addresses is taken out of the PHYSICAL memory range, not the virtual memory range of a given process or the kernel.

    You are right that the kernel does NOT lose virtual address space to the video card mapping, but unfortunately it doesn’t matter as the physical range is taken anyway.

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  49. Fredrik Viksten on January 14th, 2009 6:37 am

    Hi!

    I have a question that I think that you might be able to answer:

    I just bought an ASUS laptop with the P45 chipset which is supposed to support 8 Gb of RAM. In the technical specifications I see that ASUS claims 4 Gb to be the maximum. I can see two reasons for this:

    ​1) Since the laptop comes with Windows Vista 32.bit preinstalled it might be that ASUS is trying to avoid a PR-mishap. This might or might not mean that the laptop actually supports 8 Gb, i.e. case 2 might still be relevant:

    ​2) The BIOS is written so that it only supports 4 Gb of RAM even-though the chipset supports 8 Gb. This might be good from a marketing point of view or the reason might be that it is good enough.

    My question, given that it is infact the BIOS that restricts the computer from using 8 Gb of RAM is:

    Is is probable that this be fixed by modifying the BIOS?

    What would such a fix do? Change the memory map only or is it probable that some other fix also would be needed?

    I would really appreciate any input on this!\ Thanks!\ Fredrik

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  51. Gustavo Duarte on January 15th, 2009 2:55 pm

    Hi Fredrik,

    This is a good question. I’m no BIOS engineer, but I’ll throw out some ideas here:

    ​1. As a test, you could boot the computer using a 64-bit Linux live CD and see what the kernel is saying. Do you have the actual RAM sticks to test > 4GB?

    ​2. Once kernel boots and goes into protected mode, the bios is out of the picture. The BIOS is NOT involved at all in memory translation and such. It’s all between the CPU, the kernel (via page tables), and the northbridge. So it is odd for the BIOS to limit the addressable memory. It makes no sense to me.

    ​3. With that said, it IS the bios that initially sets values in various registers in the chipset. So your hypothesis is conceivable, maybe they cut some corners and changed the BIOS to disable > 4 GB memory support. Could have something to do with the (electrical) interface to the RAM modules too. This is too low level for me though :)

    ​4. You could take a look at the specs for the chipset and see if you find registers that have to do with this.

    I hope this helps!

  52. dan on January 17th, 2009 1:53 am

    Pls i need you to tell me the procedures for memory mapping

  53. Gustavo Duarte on January 19th, 2009 3:03 pm

    @dan: What exactly do you mean?

    Do you need to find out addresses that have been taken by certain hardware? Which OS are you using?

    In Linux, take a peek at /proc/iomem and see if that is the sort of thing you’re looking for. In Windows, see this excellent post by Mark Russinovich: http://blogs.technet.com/markrussinovich/archive/2008/07/21/3092070.aspx

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  55. Fredrik Viksten on January 26th, 2009 6:30 am

    Hi Gustavo,

    No I’m sorry I do not have them at the moment (they are quite expensive ATM). My question was for future-proofing my system. Anyway I kept it so sometime in the future I will know I guess.

    So basically what you are saying is that it is the OS that sets up the memory map for the system? I will try to find some time to delve into some documentation on the matter and report back if I find something.

    Cheers!

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  57. owen on March 23rd, 2009 12:50 pm

    Ulrich Drepper has PCI Express hanging off the southbridge, you have it hanging off the northbridge. Do you know which is correct.

    Great article btw!!!

  58. Gustavo Duarte on March 23rd, 2009 6:42 pm

    Owen: thanks. They’re both correct. PCI Express is attached to both, but on the northbridge we have dedicated PCI express lanes for the graphics card. The best way to be sure is to look up the Intel manual for the chipset in question.

  59. Jeffrey on April 1st, 2009 1:18 am

    Gustavo, thanks for the excellent post.

    About the memory layout table, I’m confused with several questions:\ 1) Where does this table reside? In system memory or north bridge or somewhre?\ 2) Who makes this table? The bios, or linux kernel or someone else?\ 3) When is this table produced? power on self test? before or after kernel is booted?\ 4) How are those hardwares known to the guy who makes this table?\ 5) For hardware circuit, only bus/slot/chip are meaningful. So, this memory layout table is actually the map from physical address to bus/slot/chip. Am I right?

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    Good article and I really enjoye the pictures.

  62. Ashoka on August 6th, 2009 3:42 am

    Thanks a lot to Gustavo, for giving such a good info with basics explained\ in detail. Expect more of this type.

  63. mercury on September 14th, 2009 1:47 pm

    That Ulrich ( red hat guy )’s paper was brilliant ! Explained a lot !

    Nice stuff :D

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  66. Yuhong Bao on December 30th, 2009 8:32 pm

    “This is called reclaiming memory and it’s done with help from the chipset. ”\ Note that older chipsets, like the Intel 945 and earlier desktop chipsets, do not support this. They only support 32 address lines, so there is no A[35:32]# lines coming out of the chipset, so it is disconnected from the CPU.\ scrAb_: Yes they did, via PAE, but back then only server chipsets actually connected the A[35:32]# lines needed to address more than 4GB of RAM. PAE can still be enabled and it would do no harm other than degrading performance a little, but it would be pretty useless if it wasn’t for NX needing PAE.

  67. morisbecon on February 9th, 2010 11:49 pm

    Thanks for the nice post.

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  69. Lubos Plavucha on June 16th, 2010 10:51 am

    I really don´t understand one thing, even if there was a mention of it in this blog – it is memory map configuration by bios.\ Suppose I want to programm a primitive operating system (in protected mode) and I need to know exact memory map in order to get access to all the devices and RAM.\ Is the memory map hardwired in the motherboard or not? If so, then, I suppose, I would have to get the specification for the motherboard to get the exact memory map since this would be different for different motherboards. Said in another words, I would have to programm a driver for motherboard or something like this to translate addresses to physical ones.\ But I read here that also BIOS configure the memory map. However, I don´t understand how. Does the BIOS only prepare the hardwired memory map in some sense or can it also change the memory map? I cannot imagine how can be memory map changed programmatically. From my beginner´s point of view, it could be done only if there would be two physical ways to the same memory place (either RAM or I/O device).\ Say, I want to read a memory location 0×098654. Next, this number is placed on the address bus, going out from the CPU. Now, is it possible to program to what memory location this signal will go (is it programable) or is it hardwired?

  70. Rob Sherratt on June 22nd, 2010 8:34 am

    Hi Gustavo,

    Would you be interested in doing some (paid for) private consultancy work for us? Please send me an email?

    Many thanks,\ Rob Sherratt

  71. Yasha on July 12th, 2010 7:59 pm

    Hi Gustavo,

    I am looking for further reading from you

  72. Samuel Bronson on August 20th, 2010 1:02 pm

    The Intel manuals are mostly an inch or thicker (Volume 1 might be slightly thinner). You call that small?

    Also, 32-bit versions of Windows really don’t allow more than 4 GB of address space, even with PAE enabled. At least in Vista, there is *code* to allow it, but it will only actually use the number of physical pages given by the “license value” named “Kernel-MaxPhysicalPage”, which is set to 0×1000 (meaning 4 GB) on all versions that have seen the light of day. See http://www.geoffchappell.com/viewer.htm?doc=notes/windows/license/memory.htm for details.

    One possible explanation is that Microsoft feared that allowing more than 4 GB of address space would run into problems with drivers, motherboards, etc. that, for one reason or another, did not work correctly with physical addresses >= 2^32. (Not an unreasonable concern, but *never* allowing it seems a bit extreme.) Another possibility is that Microsoft hoped or planned to allow this in higher-end releases — some kind of Advanced Server or something — but that this never materialized. Possibly, they decided that it was better not to offer it, to give people more incentive to move to 64-bit, with the eventual hope that this would allow them to stop offering 32-bit kernels to consumers sooner.

    I guess it can’t be related to the need to explain why programs can run out of memory when there are still many free gigabytes, since 32-bit applications will have this problem regardless of whether the kernel is 32-bit or 64-bit.

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  74. truc on October 18th, 2010 9:55 am

    Thanks, it helps me!

  75. Raphael on October 24th, 2010 7:00 pm

    Parabens mais uma vez gustavo, continue nos brindando com todos esses detalhes de funcionamento !! Sou um entusiasta do assunto ! Obrigado !!

  76. PCWatch Answers on December 6th, 2010 2:44 am

    also forgot to ask, is the memory map hardwired in motherboard or is it prepared when the system boots? also is it configurable through BIOS?

  77. mariano on December 6th, 2010 5:06 am

    gracias por la leccion seguire en contacto

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    x86…

    Unsorted info about x86 (and PC architecture) CPU feature flags and their meanings…

  79. Abhijeet Thatte on March 9th, 2011 12:46 pm

    Hi,

    I have a question about bios. When system restarts, it jumps to “reset vector handler” which is nothing but bios. Now at what address this IVT (interrupt vector table) resides?

    In memory layout for 4GB memory, system bios is shown somewhere around 1MB memory space. Does that mean memory controller maps bios at this location? If that is the case then is that the address where “reset vector handler” is placed?

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  82. Venky on October 23rd, 2011 9:41 am

    You have done a wonderful job. PCI and Memory map IO example can make the article more interesting. Also PC99 and IBM PC reference on BIOS can be added.

    Great Stuff.. Linking your website in my bookmarks.

    -Venky

  83. loh collins on November 16th, 2011 5:35 am

    thks dis job well done

  84. Emil on November 27th, 2011 12:33 pm

    Thanks !\ Nice and clean post

  85. rakhi on December 11th, 2011 6:07 am

    thanx so much i liked ur article…

  86. gg on December 21st, 2011 6:35 pm

    Thanks. It was really good.

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  88. Cesar Chavarro on February 7th, 2012 7:10 pm

    Hola Gustavo.

    Felicitaciones por tu excelente blog y por tu interesante manera de enseñar.

    Estoy aprendiendo C++ y quisiera poder acceder los puertos y puntos especificos de memoria. Tu me puedes por favor decir con que programa o como puedo yo obtener el mapa de memoria y de puertos de i/o de mi labtop.

    Gracias por tu tiempo y de nuevo felicitaciones.

    Cesar Chavarro\ St-Bruno, QC, Canada

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  91. Douglas Blackley on April 13th, 2012 7:25 am

    Morning: The Subscription feed appears to be disabled. Any suggestions?

  92. Gustavo Duarte on May 4th, 2012 5:26 am

    @Douglas: fixed. Thanks!

  93. jmzc on May 18th, 2012 5:32 pm

    Thanks for your article.

    I’m confused about memory mapping of devices.\ You say that this mapping doesn’t steal address to virtual memory but real memory.\ But if I’ve got a 32-bit system with 2GB physical RAM, my OS reports 2GB to use ( almost all amount of memory ).\ So, I think that devices use *addresses of virtual memory* (4GB, in 32-bit systems) . And they use high addresses, like your diagram shows in this article.

    So, I think that diagram is really a representation of virtual memory , not real memory.\ I think when you have 4GB physical memory, devices steal virtual memory addresses , not physical memory addresses.

    am I wrong ? My English is not very good, so I could write in Spanish language, if you wish

    Thanks & regards

  94. alfredo on May 29th, 2012 7:47 pm

    tengo una pregunta puede la incompatibilidad de memoria estar calentando mucho el chipset de mi mobo? esta muy caliente el southbrigde

  95. Teodori Serge on June 27th, 2012 11:27 am

    Very interesting and very well written. I have also developed a simple kernel in gas and c++ in elf format and this is very helpful for people writing their own kernel

  96. suhas on July 6th, 2012 5:42 am

    Wow!! I am thrilled to hear all this stuff.. Many thanks Gustavo for carving out a very informative article series..

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  99. Asifiqbalrs on December 13th, 2012 5:00 am

    What can I say? Great article. *Standing Ovation*

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  101. Paul McDermott on February 22nd, 2013 6:59 pm

    Hi Gustavo\ Your articles are excellent. They are clear and very well written. You should consider writing some books if you have time.\ Regards\ Paul McDermott\ Albury\ Australia

  102. Gustavo Duarte on February 27th, 2013 3:36 pm

    @Paul: thank you for the kinds words. I had to take a detour from writing, but I’m back at it now and will start publishing new material, which I hope to turn into a book. I really appreciate the encouragement. Regards.

  103. Russell Maclean on April 2nd, 2013 7:27 am

    Thank you for this excellent article.\ I’m looking forward to reading the rest of them.

  104. Birthwell on April 12th, 2013 3:20 am

    thanks so much .its very good and helpful

  105. Tony on April 24th, 2013 10:58 pm

    Fantastic article, Gustavo!. I take my hat off to your brilliance and your style of writing. Very much appreciated.

    I am on a quest to develop my own kernel from the ground up. Not interested in linux, windows, osx etc… days prior to these systems, how did their developers build their very first initial kernel. I want to put myself into their shoes and ignore the existence of any kernels I can leverage on. Although I have brilliant posts like this to guide me :) .

    From the questions posted from other enlightened readers there has been repeated enquiries about memory maps. I am just another number added those batch of inquizitive minds… could you please explain/confirm if the physical address space in a 32bit system (which is 2^32…correct me here as well please) is really the RAM size or is it that RAM is part of the that physical address space. The memory map diagram shows RAM being about 3GB of the 4GB and the remaining 1GB is used up by other components in the 32bit system. Another question that was already asked but to which I didn’t find an answer was where the memory map resides. Your article gives me the impression that is in the northbridge.

    Your answers will be tremendously valued! Please do keep this magnificient post running & ofcourse a book of sorts as suggested by another has to be in the works :) .

  106. slow computer on April 25th, 2013 10:51 am

    I have to thank you for the efforts you have put in\ writing this blog. I really hope to view the same high-grade content from you later on as well.\ In truth, your creative writing abilities has motivated me to get my own website now ;)

  107. Kathappan on June 18th, 2013 3:13 am

    I have to thank you for your post about memory map.

    Now I am cleared with memory map. I hope you to post again.

  108. varun on June 23rd, 2013 10:30 pm

    Hey i wanna ask a thing from you. You wrote\ “33 pins to transmit the physical memory address (so there are 2^33 choices of memory locations) and 64 pins to send or receive data (so data is transmitted in a 64-bit data path, or 8-byte chunks). This allows the CPU to physically address 64 gigabytes of memory (2^33 locations * 8 bytes)”.

    I am not able to understand here if i can address only 2^33 address locations then i can access only 16GB of physical address space. Data bus only determines the amount of data coming to/from processor in a single read or write cycle. Maybe the scenario that u r explaining here can fit in segment +offset Architecture of x86. Please elaborate.

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  110. Gustavo Duarte on June 30th, 2013 10:59 am

    Hi varun,

    It’s because the reads / writes happen 8 bytes at a time. So the “locations” are multiples of 8 bytes. 2^33 can take on 8 GB different values (about 8 billion), times the 8 bytes, total of 64 GB.

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